Okay we are live. Hello listeners. This is Architect Additi Gupta and I am in conversation with architect Aman Sohal who along with being an architect is also a watercolor artist and also plays flute. How cool so Aman. Hi Aditi, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. How are you doing? Very good Aditi. After long time. After long time we are doing very good. Yes, good. All good. All good. Yeah all good. Okay, so tell me so like so you have your own practice you practice architecture in Chandigarh. So like how do you how do you get time to you know to paint and to play flute, correct? So a little basically it all started after I graduated from college I I always had this inclination towards visual art and music. So when I was pursuing my bachelor's in architecture, I was always passionate about Arts and Music but yeah, but as I graduated there was this call that I had to take who I need to pick one out of these three, or is it possible that I can pursue all of them at the same time? So what I thought is let Me give it a try that I can you know, at least try and pursue my interests parallely along with architecture. Okay, as a result, what started happening was that I was enjoying my Arts my music along with architecture and not only that but my Concepts in all the three forms of crafts also started becoming much clearer because I was practicing all three of them not sequentially but you know at the same. So that was that was how it got started apart from that. I I must say that I was also fortunate enough that I discovered some really good teachers in all the crops. So yeah, so when I graduated I first worked with architect though she in Ahmedabad, so I eventually what happened I discovered some really good teachers. as in flute And I happened to attend some really nice watercolor workshops with the best of the artists there. So I'm the ball had a very crucial role to play in, you know, myself sinking it into all three forms of Arts music watercolor and architecture. So so I thought let me just continue doing it and let's see what happens. If I am required to pick one of these at any point of time I will do it, but let me not be in a hurry. To do that, you know at this time since I am I'm able to you know show now time for all these three things. So the way I used to manage was when initially you're my initial three four years when I was on job, so during the weekends I used to get enough time. So I made sure that the only weekends I spend enough time and you know, learning music and painting and everything. So so after that I started enjoying I continued doing it then I went to Bangor and I went to Bangalore I discovered another wonderful teacher is name is pundit collection. I so he's like one of the great players of all time. So It was just a matter of chance and you know my belief in or that you know it or we'll take you where you're supposed to go. So another teacher so I learned for you know, two more years. I used to learn part-time after my job is to go and learn Flute from fundamental action oi, and so I got some formal education and flew during those days and I was working in Bangalore. So how long time like when you were taking the formal education? Correct. So it was like I used to work in my office Monday to Friday and during the weekends. I used to you know, take classes and that was like very serious education that I took from contentment election. I and this happen for like continuous here. Okay. So two years was like understanding the structure of a Raga and you know developing that sense of music and not only that and then you know Dennis Lee practicing music as well Oh dark that investment of time at that time. I think played very crucial role that now I am able to enjoy music as well, you know trying to get the technique right and other things although it's a vast subject. I am still not there, but at least I'm happy that I'm able to do it to whatever level I can. Yeah II that is true. But so during as a child in the childhood like you do you are a watercolor artist also and you have a very good hand. All and you play flute and you think also very well so like as a child like when when you found yourself like when you just when did you discover that you have all these talents in yourself? Okay. Actually, I was always during my school days. I was always interested in art and drawing. So basically going back to Childhood. The original inspiration is my father only. It's my okay. Tell you a little bit about my father. He also draws he paints he is also is also a poet in Punjabi literature. So he is a poet and he also used to play flute. Okay, I used to listen to him and see you know, how is he managing to do so many things. So when I heard the flute and then I used to see him painting. I used to think, you know, maybe I can also try so that is that was at the spark so they can and when I die when I was lucky enough to find some good teachers to name a few during my college. It's the sir Beemo. Was a fixed teacher so I used to see him. I also see so the inspiration came from home, but you know how to develop that technique has all those Inspirations came from these wonderful people. So I used to learn from being sir. And then I got to attend workshops by artist melancholic and I'm the bath, you know are falling in place. And you know, I am supposed to take this up further and further and since I was To enjoy and feeling happy doing it. So I thought let me just continue. This is what I am thinking now is well. Yeah, that is true. So like your father he like professionally doing paintings or he like this is also like he's Yeah Yeah. So basically my father is a retired from State Bank of India. He was a banker. Okay, but he always had an inclination to painting. Oh and during the time when he was in the bank used to write posters and Banners and here wonderful calligraphy hand. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so it came from the probably so yeah, I started enjoying writing in calligraphy pens and also with the brush and then it was just a matter of exploring different things. And one thing that I would like to share with everyone is that now Having breakfast, you know, these are formed. I realized that it is only the expression or let's say the technique it's basically the technique that is different. The the principles that are behind all these art forms. Actually. They're all the same. Oh when I see and when I look back beat architecture being largely to use I think the people that are there that are fundamentally the same it is just that Technique that you need to overcome. So if you can, you know patiently just get over that technique and invest enough time minute. I think it is very much possible to pick up any craft and it certainly becomes much easier to you know, pursue the next craft that you do because the principles you get hold of very easily once you have, you know, taken one parallel expression and that is when you know the muzzle of The Craft starts coming in here. It's so pretty. Onto the other. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what I'm curious about right now is like how you landed in like architecture like like you press in arts you you have student hand and you think also well and so what made you choose science over Arts it for 11th and 12th and then go taking admission in architecture. How was thought process behind it? So Aditi honestly speaking there. Actually, no thought process the admission to architecture College was purely accidental. So I used to carry my Sketchbook of portraits that I used to do and you know go and visit colleges. So I just happen to bump into this college recently got College of architecture during, you know, before first year admissions that I realize there is a college called CCA in Chandigarh and okay, I showed my Sketchbook to faculty members is They said you can pursue this profession. It's called architecture and maybe you can you know, you can try for admissions here. And then I explode what this college is all about. And what happens here and then I understood there is another there is a there is an aptitude test that happens along with the in engineering exam. And yeah, fortunately I got very good rank in the aptitude test. Okay, so I came into You know architecture college and then slowly steadily when I got to know more about it. I started liking it and I think this is quick. It was no plan to be an architect be an architect. So yeah, okay. Yeah, correct, correct. But as a result, we were as years passed by and when I started, you know, then like Steve Jobs said that you eventually need to connect the connect the dots but pursue whatever you like just Doing it just for the sake of the joy that you get into it eventually will see the dots adding corrected. So I think that is how it should be. This is something that I have experienced. We just do whatever you want for the pure love and joy of it and you will see everything gets it eventually do not do not react sequences, you know, what will happen if I do this or that so yeah how it happened so, okay. Okay. I got it that you're you know, I'd mission to CCA was an accident but like toes to do PCM right then great for to what you were looking forward to like academically. So architecture was not in picture, right so you so what was the thought process there? There was actually no thought process at the actually I was interested in arts and the tenth or probably Till 12th. I was probably one of those aimless kids who was only you know concerned about getting marks so not okay. It was not really a name as such it was only after I came into architecture that I saw. I know this is something that I need to unfold. So it was just by a matter of chance and luck that I came here. And I now I feel so fortunate that I'm here. Yeah. Yeah, so okay. I got the thing. So like how like how architecture and architecture played any role, you know in you know, like in become like woohoo what you are today like who you are today? What is the role of architecture in that like you studied architecture? So How those five years of architecture has, you know evolved you or have they helped you or do you feel that you've lost those five years and you could have you know studied more deeply about watercolors or fluid. So what is like, what do you feel now after you know you have been graduated for us Nick you graduated in 2009. So almost you know, ten years from then how do you feel? Yeah, I think so. I think as as you as you practice architecture, so first and foremost is the connect that I have been able to developed amongst the art forms right beat visual art or beat music. Okay. So I think architecture has helped me evolve as as a much better person. You can actually Define architecture in multiple ways. Wonderful many ways is that the Crux of Architecture is to create an atmosphere. Okay. So if you if you can create an atmosphere, then you are basically you can you can disconnect yourself from one space and move into the other that is only possible if you can generate that atmosphere. So yeah. So basically not the same principle. If you follow and visual arts, even even usual Arts. If your work of art helps, you know, generate an atmosphere or a different kind of a space. It can can do the same to you and given it the same continues to happen now now with the practice of architecture, I think if I am able to generate an atmosphere, then I can create very strong memories, you know to the people who are going to use that space. Yeah, correct. So if F memory happens then you know, basically you become aware of your immediate surroundings. Yeah, right. So I think this is how it has helped me to become a better person. Also you have started understanding yourself. Roundings metal. Yes. Yes, you become become much more aware of your immediate surroundings because you you need to consciously see things around you. Yeah. Now I see things, you know as it is. So this eventually helps you in in different manner as an architect as an artist. Yeah, and also you like I when I was doing my architecture I learned the Active thing you're to write quickly point perspective. And that was a discovery for me like oh, yeah really happened. So why can make everything I can sketch everything, you know, and it will get to the depth that it looks like this building is behind this is in front. Yes. I know those thickness of lines and so actually architecture helps you to and also it makes her hand, you know, good. Yes. Yes. Yes. I think it did it helps you become a much more aware person. Yeah, there are so many things around you but your Consciousness level of Consciousness is not very high. But the moment you start drawing the moment you start sketching and you start perceiving the space. Yeah, your your level of Consciousness keeps Rising keeps growing. Hi. Yes, actually my admission to architecture was also totally accidental, correct. So one of the senior I don't remember The name who during the ragging, you know, they asked me and I told that it is accidental and I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm not liking it blah blah and all that and he told me you know, what you're going to do in future. I said, no, I don't know. He said that design spaces in which other people are going to live, you know, and they are pending. Yes. So what you're going to do is very important because as I said, is it yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes, and you know what one thing that I want to share the the most joyous part of being an architect is that you can see the invisible, you know in simple words. If I if I Define the last moment there are moments when nobody else around can visualize a space and in front of you the picture is so clear. So it is almost like, you know being able to see the invisible which is not there. It is only because of Practice of architecture that you're able to do that and I don't think any other you know medium you can do it other than architecture. Yeah, totally. Okay. So it like a man I would like to ask you like, you know, what so any advice that you would like to give your younger self like 10-15 years younger. Yeah. So is there any hmm? So I think one one common thing that I Observe is that the younger generation let's say 10 15 years younger. The the level of patients that I see is much less these days the you know, the patient's enough to invest time in learning. Your your discipline is much less. So I would I would suggest that one thing is for sure that you must take this as a very slow process enjoy every bit of it and do not you know expect immediate results you get Yourself enough time so that is that is one part. Secondly. I think it is also very crucial to you know, pursue a parallel expression. It is basically very important for creativity. So yeah, if I can just elaborate this a bit more see as as an artist or as an architect, it is important to see things, you know a fresh as if you are seeing them for the first time. Correct. Now now this can happen only if you either you meditate, you know, go into that silence and nothingness that when you come out of it, you see things, you know as if you are seeing it for the first time the the only other method that I can see is that you pursue one art form as a parallel expression because that helps you disconnect from a loop because when you are working on a problem you get into a loop now, the only way to disconnect as you know, get into another Loop so what happens is when you come back you start seeing things from a different perspective. Yes, I would I would strongly encourage people that if you like something Beyond architecture, you know, take it up and thoroughly study it and invest time into it. So this is this is one suggestion that I will have for all the students of art architecture. Okay. So what understood after we you know from our conversation is that your art forms are helping you evolve like other art forms a helping you evolve as a better architect and you being protective helping you, you know evolve as a better artist and flute player. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah and it I think everything is like, you know, like even for anyone any type of art form if you practice your help, it's sort of a meditation hundred percent. And the stress Buster that's true. Absolutely. Yeah, so would you like to play some flute for us? Will it be possible? Yeah. Okay. I can try some. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah one small piece. Okay. Thank you. Just a second. Yeah. Cool. I'll play small piece in rock this okay? Thank you. Awesome. I'm super awesome. Super awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's just really so great. It was something I've been thinking. I've been trying to practice this for some time. So I thought I'll play this. Yeah, this was magical. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, it was super. Awesome talking to you over the open door. Come on. And yeah, I'ma say that thank you very much. I DT I wanted to share, you know, my thoughts on this since a very long time and yeah, I think this is a platform this which will help me, you know Outreach as many people. So I must say thank you to you. Thank you to me great great great going times opportunity. Yeah, it's all my pleasure amongst all my pleasure and you can do as many open talks as you want and connect with people. It's an open platform and and people would love to hear you. Great. Great. I will do so definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. I'm on. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much nice rocking by. Thank ya. Bye. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.